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Revisiting Nuremberg

A podcast with the legendary Joe Klein

On today’s “To the Contrary” Podcast, I’m joined by the veteran political commentator, Joe Klein, to discuss our apparent mind melds over the Nuremberg Trials — including the classic Judgment at Nuremberg and the 2025 film Nuremberg.

For some reason, we found that the Nuremberg movies both resonated powerfully today.

Besides the movie reviews, we have a wide-ranging and thought-provoking discussion exploring the intersection of politics and moral authority (and wonder who has it anymore?)

One highlight: The scene from Judgment at Nuremberg where The German judge (Burt Lancaster) asked the American judge (Spencer Tracy) to understand that he never meant it to come to that. Tracy’s answer…

And, fair warning, we provide a bit of tough love to both Republicans and Democrats — and discuss the blunders and bubbles that have helped bring us to this moment. (Remember, I never promised you a safe space here.

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