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Tom Nichols: Decadent America

We really are an unserious nation, aren't we?

In our second episode of the “To the Contrary Podcast,” The Atlantic’s Tom Nichols and I discuss the chaotic first few days of Trump’s second term, examining the administration’s internal distractions, its attacks on the rule of law, and the broader implications for democracy. We explore Trump’s erratic priorities—from tariffs and plastic straws to threats against NATO— and, of course, we touch on Elon Musk’s growing influence, the undermining of U.S. institutions, and the dangerous consequences of an increasingly unserious electorate.

Happy Tuesday.

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Some short highlights of my conversation with Tom Nichols:

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Tuesday dogs

“You want a friend in life, get a dog.”

Eli sincerely believes that he is a lap dog.

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