Fuck that stupid Trunt Shelby Bitch. I hope she meets the business end of one of her beloved AR-15's along with fellow Trunt fascist wannabe Kari Lake.
I have a question (addressed to nobody in particular): How is it that Trump is not (in large part, at least) responsible for ensuing violence if he loses?
What an adorable picture of baby Eli and Pete. That is so precious. Now onto the topic at hand. The Supreme Court opened the genies bottle and there is no fixing it now short of a new law that openly permits abortion in all cases. I deeply appreciate you sharing your personal experience and the monumental difficultly of the decision to go ahead and have the child despite the circumstances. Abortion should be left up to the individuals involved and not governed by church or state. I often think of what ifs. What if Adolph Hitler had been aborted or if Albert Einstein had been. How different would the world have been. You could also argue that they were a product of the environment that they were raised, even so what is the impact of those who have had abortions and the possible outcomes of those had they lived? As you say, there are no easy answers.
Some of us were born with a worthless reproductive system and I suffered every month but the doctors in the late 70’s said the pain is all in your head. Yes I’ve had 2 abortions but it was because my worthless uterus was so eat up with endometriosis nodes that it couldn’t expand. I started spotting between 8-10 weeks. My OB/GYN said I could try but by 16 weeks I’d be in so much pain and would miscarry or I could chose to just get an abortion. I spoke to my husband’s at the time and my family and made the decision to terminate before the 16 weeks. Finally at the age of 40 and with an excellent GYN I was approved by insurance for a partial hysterectomy which has since become a full as my ovaries developed one large tumor from one to the other. My decisions were made between me, my doctor and family as I don’t think judges or politicians should be in the exam room or my kitchen table deciding for me or anyone else.
Here’s a novel thought, why don’t we push for more men to get vasectomies or taking away those little blue pills cause they can’t get a rise anymore. Oh wait the guys say my body and you can’t tell me what to do with it! Well we women feel the same way!
Forgot to mention, it has been an absolutely lovely surprise to see Charlie posting again. I really missed his work. I'm hoping to see more of the same soon, would make me reconsider turfing my Bulwark subscription.
Charlie, thank you so much for putting into words what I have been feeling for so long. I have always been pro-life and have volunteered for pro-life agencies and organizations. I now feel almost guilty that I can’t relate to the current state of the pro-life movement. Another part of my life where I could feel homeless if not for people like you, David French, and others who remind me that I am not the crazy one.
RE: "But we made a choice... And that choice was the most consequential one of our lives."
Props to you for the choice you and your girlfriend made all those years ago, Charlie. But the point here that you clearly make is that the two of you actually had more than one choice available to you. Had the law not been what it was back then and instead was what it is now, depending on where you lived you well may have had no choice to make at all unless the means were available to choose to go to another state.
Abortion may be a complicated moral and ethical issue for some, and I personally don't see the role of abortion as simply birth control on demand. But taking away the right of a woman to have autonomy over her body and reproductive role and health is no more moral or ethical than government-imposed sterilization or forced birth control would be.
Sometimes in this life we just need to let peoples' consciences decide the right or wrong of something on an individual basis when it's too complicated for the government to decide with any kind of consistent clarity or uncontested moral efficacy.
It's not really a hard issue, nobody is forcing folks to have an abortion. That's why the opposite of being pro-life is being "pro-choice" as opposed to "pro-abortion".
I know the pro-life movement is complicated, as all movements are. But one element that's always been there as far as I know is the belief in "natural consequences" of, for example, having sex outside marriage. Or, for the Christian conservative movement of the 1980s, AIDS as a natural consequence of men having sex with men. "Natural consequences" may mean different things to different people, but it's a harsh, puritan ethic. So, although I can respect people who think differently than I do about abortion, I'm not surprised that so many Christian conservatives are indifferent to the consequences of Dobbs.
I read your article and I guess I can say I believe you have possibly changed a little but I guess thanks may be in order as you also are of the group to put religion in politics and strive to take away a womans right to choose. A handmaids tale is the life of future women under this republican party and I do believe while you see what it has become, you helped create it. I like you but this article and your past article has made me sick to my stomach. Sorry . 😞
Fuck that stupid Trunt Shelby Bitch. I hope she meets the business end of one of her beloved AR-15's along with fellow Trunt fascist wannabe Kari Lake.
Trump seemed jacked up on his normal cocktail of boner pills & anti-diarrhea medication
"Live long & prosper Mr. Petes." - Puppy Eli😊😁🖖🐾
I have a question (addressed to nobody in particular): How is it that Trump is not (in large part, at least) responsible for ensuing violence if he loses?
What an adorable picture of baby Eli and Pete. That is so precious. Now onto the topic at hand. The Supreme Court opened the genies bottle and there is no fixing it now short of a new law that openly permits abortion in all cases. I deeply appreciate you sharing your personal experience and the monumental difficultly of the decision to go ahead and have the child despite the circumstances. Abortion should be left up to the individuals involved and not governed by church or state. I often think of what ifs. What if Adolph Hitler had been aborted or if Albert Einstein had been. How different would the world have been. You could also argue that they were a product of the environment that they were raised, even so what is the impact of those who have had abortions and the possible outcomes of those had they lived? As you say, there are no easy answers.
Adderal for all says loser Don the Grifter
You’ll still the “Neighborhood Idiot, trump.”
Some of us were born with a worthless reproductive system and I suffered every month but the doctors in the late 70’s said the pain is all in your head. Yes I’ve had 2 abortions but it was because my worthless uterus was so eat up with endometriosis nodes that it couldn’t expand. I started spotting between 8-10 weeks. My OB/GYN said I could try but by 16 weeks I’d be in so much pain and would miscarry or I could chose to just get an abortion. I spoke to my husband’s at the time and my family and made the decision to terminate before the 16 weeks. Finally at the age of 40 and with an excellent GYN I was approved by insurance for a partial hysterectomy which has since become a full as my ovaries developed one large tumor from one to the other. My decisions were made between me, my doctor and family as I don’t think judges or politicians should be in the exam room or my kitchen table deciding for me or anyone else.
Here’s a novel thought, why don’t we push for more men to get vasectomies or taking away those little blue pills cause they can’t get a rise anymore. Oh wait the guys say my body and you can’t tell me what to do with it! Well we women feel the same way!
Forgot to mention, it has been an absolutely lovely surprise to see Charlie posting again. I really missed his work. I'm hoping to see more of the same soon, would make me reconsider turfing my Bulwark subscription.
I'd like to.see the orange clown kick and scream when it's suggested he do the same. Lol
Charlie, thank you so much for putting into words what I have been feeling for so long. I have always been pro-life and have volunteered for pro-life agencies and organizations. I now feel almost guilty that I can’t relate to the current state of the pro-life movement. Another part of my life where I could feel homeless if not for people like you, David French, and others who remind me that I am not the crazy one.
Trump would cheat or lie. Period. He’s a failure as a human.
RE: "But we made a choice... And that choice was the most consequential one of our lives."
Props to you for the choice you and your girlfriend made all those years ago, Charlie. But the point here that you clearly make is that the two of you actually had more than one choice available to you. Had the law not been what it was back then and instead was what it is now, depending on where you lived you well may have had no choice to make at all unless the means were available to choose to go to another state.
Abortion may be a complicated moral and ethical issue for some, and I personally don't see the role of abortion as simply birth control on demand. But taking away the right of a woman to have autonomy over her body and reproductive role and health is no more moral or ethical than government-imposed sterilization or forced birth control would be.
Sometimes in this life we just need to let peoples' consciences decide the right or wrong of something on an individual basis when it's too complicated for the government to decide with any kind of consistent clarity or uncontested moral efficacy.
Agreed.
It's not really a hard issue, nobody is forcing folks to have an abortion. That's why the opposite of being pro-life is being "pro-choice" as opposed to "pro-abortion".
Well said, Mr. Trosino. I agree that government, at any level, should have no say in this morally grey, deeply personal decision.
I know the pro-life movement is complicated, as all movements are. But one element that's always been there as far as I know is the belief in "natural consequences" of, for example, having sex outside marriage. Or, for the Christian conservative movement of the 1980s, AIDS as a natural consequence of men having sex with men. "Natural consequences" may mean different things to different people, but it's a harsh, puritan ethic. So, although I can respect people who think differently than I do about abortion, I'm not surprised that so many Christian conservatives are indifferent to the consequences of Dobbs.
I read your article and I guess I can say I believe you have possibly changed a little but I guess thanks may be in order as you also are of the group to put religion in politics and strive to take away a womans right to choose. A handmaids tale is the life of future women under this republican party and I do believe while you see what it has become, you helped create it. I like you but this article and your past article has made me sick to my stomach. Sorry . 😞
Regarding Eli and mom,"It looks like you're going to need a bigger boat".