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Eva Seifert's avatar

Instead of Yeats: "Any man`s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." John Donne (1572 - 1631)

Doesn't matter if it's a CEO by an elitist, or the homeless mentally ill man by a cop. And now, we have a president elect with his minions who espouse death and violence for everyone who doesn't think he's god.

One point about the French Terror. In the end, it turned on those who supported it.

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Charlie, you and a lot of others are really misunderstanding statements like AOC’s and Elizabeth Warren’s. The “buts,” you call them. Trying to understand the reason for a visceral, disturbing positive reaction to an assassination is not cheerleading it, it is absolutely essential work to figuring out what went wrong and what needs to be fixed in our system. Understanding that UHC and Brian Thompson as its CEO are directly responsible for dozens or hundreds of wrongful deaths because they purposefully denied valid claims for essential medical treatment in order to increase profits is not approving vigilante justice, it’s explaining why many people online are lionizing Mangione. We can’t fix the problem unless we know its cause.

“But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.”

MLK said the above. Was he endorsing or excusing the riots? Of course not. He was absolutely committed to nonviolence and thought the riots were harmful to the cause. But he was explaining the cause of the riots and the underlying problems that needed to be fixed. AOC and Liz Warren were basically saying exactly the same thing he did. They don’t deserve having you and others twist their words into some sort of approval of the killing.

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